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Friday September 10th 2010

Draft Watch 2010: Quarterbacks

 

Yesterday’s post regarding the hidden tip of the Browns’ offseason iceberg was the kind of speculation that lingers in regards to analysis, but ultimately serves as yet another exercise in futility.  Or, in other words – despite our massive talent deficit at the position, is anyone genuinely excited about the prospects of adding yet another alleged “franchise” quarterback come April? 

Talking about it is one thing – taking action is something far more sinister. 

Browns QB Chatter: Part 3,500

Which brings us back – again – to the million dollar question – or 40 to 50 more precisely, should the Browns invest a high draft choice in a quarterback?   

Or, would we be taking a step forward or backward by going QB in the first round?

To frame the question in its proper perspective, is this franchise at a point where it can draft what could be considered a “luxury” pick?  With so many other vital needs found among the roster, the selection of a quarterback could impede the overall reconstruction of our franchise.  After all, Brady Quinn, a former highly-touted prospect struggled mightily in 2009, playing with an overly talent-depleted offensive roster.

Is there anyone available in the upcoming draft who could do much better?

Yet, as the Browns enter one of the most critical offseasons of their existence, this most frustrating question – one that has plagued our franchise for years – is perhaps being asked now more than ever. 

And considering the following, that is a most distressing thought.   

2010 Draft Outlook – Quarterbacks 

Where questions such as the following are asked: 

  1. How much difference is there between a Round 1 QB compared to a Round 5 or 6 variety?
  2. Is it just me, or is it funny when draft analysts refer to “backside pressure?”
  3. Is some NFL team truly going to spend a draft pick on Tim Tebow?
  4. Just what kind of signing bonus would Jesus demand?
  5. Is it true that Colt McCoy is actually shorter than Chase Daniel?
  6. Is it possible for Brady Quinn to somehow re-enter the draft?

Actually, I guess the first question was the most relevant.  And the answer, at least in 2010, is less than surprising – unless you buy into the swelling hype machine that represents the lead-up to the draft.  In 2010, the true difference between the top QB prospect and a projected 4th or 5th round pick is powder thin.   

Much like the floating bone fragments of Sam Bradford’s shoulder. 

Speaking of which, here is my most cynical look at this year’s QB draft class. 

Sam Bradford
I may sound unfairly critical regarding Bradford’s NFL prospects.  If so, that was my intended desire.  However, I do realize that much of my anti-Bradford sentiment is based on the fact that he is unrealistically ranked as a top draft pick, based on not much more than the prestige factor associated with his position, along with some inflated college stats.   

Throw in an undeveloped and brittle body, a lack of much-needed NFL bulk and experience stemming mainly from a college spread offense, and the red flags begin to litter the discussion.  Although Bradford was a very decisive and accurate college quarterback, his resume was built mainly against a variety of defenseless Big-12 teams. 

Jimmy Clausen
I guess I have been pretty hard on the likes of Bradford and Clausen.  And just wait until I turn back to Tebow. 

Much like Bradford, I would probably like Clausen a lot better if he wasn’t touted so highly.  What exactly is the appeal of a quarterback who experienced very little college success and despite some years of virtual NFL coaching tutelage, still seems stunted in his growth? 

Was that a loaded question? 

Here’s the book on Clausen:  First, he’s tiny.  Second, he’s not a very accurate passer when it comes to intermediate or deep throws.  Speaking of throwing, Clausen’s actual arm motion looks like it will one day tear his clavicle to shreds.  While such a spastic motion, or the kind where he continually throws across his body – are less critical in college – especially when playing the likes of bottom tier Big East teams – the NFL game will likely eat this kid alive. 

Colt McCoy
I admit it – I am terrified of the recent narrative being written regarding McCoy.  Because it is becoming obvious that McCoy will fall to the late 2nd round or early 3rd, members of Browns Nation are beginning to talk themselves into a temporal salvation through the QB with the cowboy name. 

Witness the following from Reboot reader, Hermie 13:

If McCoy is there in the 3rd round, the browns should set the record for quickest selection in the history of the draft. The guy was a first round pick til Suh killed him in the SEC champ game (not his fault) and then the injury in the Champ game. He’s a solid 2nd round talent, and it wouldn’t shock me if the Browns gave him consideration at 38. I agree, he does seem like a good fit. 3rd round is perfect though (don’t see him falling that far though). Can sit behind Quinn for a while. Best case Quinn does rebound. Having an extra QB is never a problem. Look what the Falcons got for Schaub or what the Eagles may get for Kolb. If Quinn does fail you can hand it over to McCoy, who I agree seems to fit the system Holmgren runs.

Or, this from Friend of Reboot, Don Delco over at No Logo Needed.

http://www.nologoneeded.com/

As dangerous as this new fiction may appear to be, perhaps even worst is the way the discussion is being framed. What happened to the most basic types of questions possible? 

Something like this:

Do you want to build your offense around Colt McCoy?

And not this:

Is Colt McCoy a better pick in the 3rd Round, than he is the 2nd or 1st?

Or even better:

Is Colt McCoy a better QB because he was drafted in a lower round?

In other words, because McCoy is NOT a first-round (or even second-round) talent, he suddenly becomes more valuable to us.  Really?  Is this not the same college QB who rarely threw any downfield passes, accumulated record completion percentages on a variety of swing passes, generally has a weak arm, completely avoids passing into tight windows, is far too hesitant to take off and run and plays a “small” version of ball, much like our own Brady Quinn?

And some of you want to spend a third-round pick on a player like this?

I’m not sure I would even justify a 5th or 6th rounder on such a flawed prospect.

Speaking of which….

Tim Tebow

Enough said.

Tony Pike
Pike is no doubt the enigma among this year’s QB draft class.  Compared to the other candidates, Pike offers some great size and has a solid arm.  Although “size” is often an overvalued component in analyzing a quarterback – just look at Drew Brees – it is worth noting how different passing windows seem to open for the likes of Derek Anderson, compared to Brady Quinn.  Of course, what a QB does with this size advantage is a completely different story.

However, for Pike, his large frame has served as a bigger target for injury.  Pike has been banged up for most of his college career, which should sound a scary alarm for the new Browns’ braintrust.  Both in terms of durability and overall investment, it’s probably not a good idea to “begin again” with a QB who is already physically declining.

But then again, Pike could prove to be the most NFL-ready quarterback of any of the 2010 prospects.  What Pike may lack in terms of health, he makes up for with an uncanny ability to sense pocket pressure and possesses some quick, evasive feet.  Perhaps this inate sense of awareness is what could eventually elevate Pike into a more intriguing target.

Dan LeFevour
LeFevour is another intriguing prospect, at least based on his college success and healthy share of experience.  However, if you basically analyze the quality of opponent that LeFevour faced, combined with the idea that he played in one of the simplest of college spread offenses, his candidacy for NFL success becomes somewhat flawed.  Throw in a weak arm and a lack of accuracy when throwing on the move, and the learning curve for LeFevour in the NFL could be steep.

Jarrett Brown 
I’m surprised Brown isn’t getting more attention at the moment.  Coming off a solid Senior Bowl performance, Brown appears to be the sleeper among this middle tier of 2010 QB prospects.  But then again, aren’t all of these QB’s middle tier?  Brown could possibly feature the purest athletic ability out of this entire group, but his inexperience running an NFL style offense could prove problematic.

In college, Brown played from the shotgun and didn’t throw many passes beyond a few yards.  However, on the rare occasions that he threw downfield, Brown showed tremendous arm strength and some workable mechanics.  Certainly, the mobility and toughness are there, but much like LeFevour, an NFL team would be waiting a while for a true return on their investment.

John Skelton
Here’s my underdog pick of the draft.  Skelton has great NFL size, has a strong arm and is able to pick apart defenses if given some time.  However, playing in an abyss of a college conference, it’s obvious that Skelton would have to take a giant leap forward in order to make an NFL roster.  However, unlike McCoy being taken in the 3rd round, a 5th or 6th round flier on Skelton could prove to be a quality investment.

Jonathan Crompton
Crompton could prove to be another sleeper.  He brings NFL size, athleticism, arm strength and some moderate success in an NFL-influenced system to the table.  Also, Crompton could possibly own the quickest release out of any 2010 QB candidate.  So having said all this, why isn’t his name mentioned with Bradford and Clausen?  Simply put, Crompton is wildly inconsistent.  Plus, he was never invited to ride the media caravan that has vaulted these same overvalued prospects to the top of the coming draft. 

The Pick 
So, let me put all this into a better perspective, meaning how do any of these candidates fit the current Browns’ roster? 

In terms of need, you could make a case for all of them – until you begin to realize the specific weaknesses each brings.  However, it is obvious that the Browns desperately need to upgrade the QB position.  But, the question remains - does this happen at the expense of another critical roster area?  Or, in other words – does the horse come before the wagon?  Whatever that’s supposed to mean…

On one hand, I would be overcome with joy if the Browns sit out the QB sweepstakes this coming April.  Considering that there is not one truly qualified candidate available, I would hope that Holmgren and Heckert could latch onto to a gap-filling veteran until a better option arrives later.  After all, does anyone really expect the Browns to contend in 2010?

If such a thing occurs, then I would love to see the team take a flier on a lower-round talent, such as Pike, Skelton or even Crompton.  Or, if we’re digging even deeper, how about Troy’s Levi Brown? 

And while these names don’t conjure any immediate visions of Super Bowl titles, at least we can take some comfort in knowing that perhaps for the first time in years, we’re entering an era of stability.  Assuming that Holmgren and Heckert are still around in 2-3 years, ideally one of these less-touted talents could blossom in time. 

Or not.  Taking a QB is a gamble after all.

Especially in the first round.  Especially with these prospects.

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17 Responses to “Draft Watch 2010: Quarterbacks”

  1. GW Bear says:

    Taking any of the above before the 5th round is a stretch especially considering our other needs. Pike or Skelton or Crompton would be worth a 5th or 6th round pick as a project. Skelton at the Senior Bowl reminded me of DA but I think if you got him young enough you could tutor him and have him lose his DAisms. Picking Bradford or Clausen would be a risk we can’t afford to take. Bradford would probably shatter the first time Ngata or Hampton fell on him and Clausen is BQ 2.0 without the strength.

  2. Gordon says:

    Nice article. But way way too long.

  3. Dan says:

    Can we please stop with the “he hasn’t won anything” line of argument on Clausen? I’m sorry, did you expect him to play defense for Notre Dame? Maybe you aren’t satisfied with his performance as a fullback?

    No QB had greater success in college than Tim Tebow, and yet he is routinely (and rightly) referred to as among the least likely to succeed in the NFL.

    Clausen played on some HORRIBLE teams; the Irish’s woes were by no means his fault. If you watched any of ND’s games last year, you’d see that he and Golden Tate were the only reason they finished at .500 and not worse.

    I’m not advocating that we draft Jimmy, necessarily. I just want everyone to be a little more accurate in their analysis of him. Also, he’s only an inch shorter than Tom Brady, and he completed 68.8% of his passes last year.

  4. Dan says:

    Colt McCoy is “far too hesitant to take off and run”? Do you watch college football?

    McCoy had 447 rushing attempts for 1,589 yards in his career, and was Texas’ leading rusher in 2008 (also scoring 11 rushing TDs).

    He may not be an ideal NFL QB, but the kid is not too hesitant to run the ball…that may be his biggest strength.

  5. Larry says:

    I would love to see the Browns take him in5th or 6th round. I watch him in senior bowl and i have watched some tape on him and I think he is akeeper

  6. Larry says:

    Sorry I forgot to give you his name John Skelton.

  7. DK says:

    Dan-

    Thanks for calling me out on my error. What I meant was that McCoy is too “reliant” on taking off and running.

    I guess I was getting a little ahead of myself.

    Thanks,
    DK

  8. Poor analysis says:

    So to recap your insightful, in-depth analysis, Bradford and Clausen are both overrated. And you justify this conclusion with false premises like “[Bradford has] and underdeveloped and brittle body]” (6’4” 223 lbs. is underdeveloped?) and “[Clausen’s] not a very accurate passer” (68% accuracy, only 4 INTs). Your column is littered with statements such as these that are either inaccurate, or simply baseless.

    In addition, you basically state that McCoy and Tebow both suck. While I agree that neither has tremendous NFL upside, they must have some talent, or else they wouldn’t have ended up as 2 of the most winning QBs in CFB history.

    And while you tell us these big names will bust in the NFL, you love the prospects of John Skelton, a guy who played I-AA, whose team went 5-6 this year in the always difficult “Patriot League” (before you go “Steve McNair” on me, just remember how rare it is to find a NFL starting QB from I-AA).

    You also like Tony Pike, whose success can be totally attributed to Brian Kelly and his offensive system. Consider that Pike’s back-up (Collaros, a sophomore) totally outplayed Pike when Pike was injured. In addition, Pike played average to not great in his biggest games (see Pitt and Florida).

    You also think Jonathon Crompton is a sleeper, and ask why “he was never invited to ride the media caravan that has vaulted these same overvalued prospects to the top of the coming draft.” Let me tell you why—He only started 1 year, his career accuracy is an abysmal 55%. And his team was 7-6. Make sense now?

    Lastly, you would take a flyer on Levi Brown from Troy? I mean, you have to be joking. Brown as a Brown—no thank you.

    This is an honest question: What methods do you use to formulate your opinions on quarterbacks? Do you actually watch these guys play? Is it statistics based? I can’t tell, because the analysis seems so haphazard and random. My guess is that you scour the internet reading mock draft sites and then regurgitate some of the more lesser known names to try to sound like you are smarter than everyone else.

    Some of the columns on here aren’t bad, and I enjoy the photos and some of the humor. But you are really off on a lot of this stuff.

  9. Duan says:

    Hey DK! I got to with you on Crompton! PERIOD!

    The guy is sporadic, but when you look at him and Favre, he is a quaterback that battles! He stpes up to challenges!

    Yes Tennessee was 7-6, but look at the conference!? THE SEC! C’mon man!

    There was one game I watched that sold me on Crompton! Tennessee vs. Alabama! Tennessee took them to the wire and Crompton kept them in that game!

    He was putting it on the rope, through windows that not too many quarterbacks could!

    If the Browns were to draft Crompton, I am looking for his jersey the day after the draft!

    I am on the Crompton train, like chuck wagon baby!

  10. kanewolves says:

    Get a backup QB from another team, as long as we don’t have to give up too much to get him, and forget about picking a QB in the draft. Choose the best player available at the time, regardless of position, with each of our picks. And be patient, we’re not going to rebuild into a contender in one off season.

  11. David Zele says:

    Poor analysis,

    That was a wonderful ananlysis. Thank you.

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  13. kingofkingsfan says:

    Thank you for honoring Tim Tebow by posting a picture of Jesus with the comment enough said. You honor him because Jesus told us, If they mock and ridicule me, the master, how much more will they mock and ridicule you. With Manginis penchant for wanting guys of high character,and with Holmgren being a spiritual man who also does work in the mission field, don’t be surprised when they grab this man of God if he drops to the later rounds. Holmgren stated in one of his first interviews that he prays for wisdom and discernment all the time. Maybe you should mock him as well, and I’m sure that if he prays for wisdom and discernment on draft day he will here a still small voice whisper in his ear Tim Tebow.

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  16. Bdub says:

    I would love the Browns to draft Tim Hiller out of Western Michigan, and Orrville Ohio native. I think he could be the next Tom Brady drafted in the 6/7th round and become a starter in the first 3 years of his career! He is a very smart and efficient QB, and would do well in the west coast offense!

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